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micaturtleThen HOW did you get here? oh yeah, I might have accidentally given my URL out to tmnt fans... BAD MICA!
ok, here is what I CURRENTLY have to say about my obsession, Kino's Journey:
*incoherant fanzombie noises* waaaaattttcccchhhh kino... it FARKS with your head. The nice thing about Kino's Journey is that it seems like the fandom of it is populated with mostly smarter people. And that's a nice change. I'm so used to dealing with 12 yr olds because I'm a Ninja Turtle fan... It's nice that Kino only really attracts people who are smarter ... but the downside is that Kino fans tend to not have as twisted of a sense of humor as me... oh well, that leaves even more open jokes for me to mess with... like this one:
~Mica
ok, here is what I CURRENTLY have to say about my obsession, Kino's Journey:
*incoherant fanzombie noises* waaaaattttcccchhhh kino... it FARKS with your head. The nice thing about Kino's Journey is that it seems like the fandom of it is populated with mostly smarter people. And that's a nice change. I'm so used to dealing with 12 yr olds because I'm a Ninja Turtle fan... It's nice that Kino only really attracts people who are smarter ... but the downside is that Kino fans tend to not have as twisted of a sense of humor as me... oh well, that leaves even more open jokes for me to mess with... like this one:
~Mica
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Date: 2006-12-23 05:48 am (UTC)Ja, matta ne~
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Date: 2006-12-24 08:11 pm (UTC)But that's just my opinian. I hope you got something at least slightly useful out of it.
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Date: 2006-12-25 02:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-25 09:23 am (UTC)I think you CAN overanalyze both the kino books and the anime, but I think it deals with topics that people are unfamiliar or uncomfortable with. It is an unwritten social taboo to talk too much about what human nature really is (and our overwhelming urge to kill and hurt each other, which is un-naturally suppressed in order to live in peace and harmony) Kino, because of the detachment of her character, can look at the world from an "outsiders" view. I like it because it makes you think. A good example is the anime ep "A Peaceful Land" (the ep where those people had a "war" and killed the people in the land next to them and kept score to see who "won" that year)The first time I saw that ep, my mind (being american and not growing up in a violent country) automatically scoffed, dismissed it, and thought "that's a little too much to be believable" but as I thought about it more, I realized that there ARE places in the world like that. Look at the KKK, they feel that people who aren't "pure white" are not human, and should just be killed. Look at what happened in WWII (the holocaust). I had thought of a lot of reasons it wouldn't get as "advanced" as this interpretation, but as I have learned more about history, I have realized that it could have tipped that way, as long as religion and social conscience said it was okay to treat that tribe of people as subhuman and "points"
Also, about the last episode that I know you think is stupid, Mandy, and you think they should have just moved. I'm sure SOME of them did move, but the ones left were the die-hards. Look at how much the people fight, and how many people suicide-bomb over the TINY little piece of land called israel, and if you look at it rationally, israel isn't even really a GREAT piece of real estate. You could also go into that the people in that ep just didn't want to leave because they were sick of wandering... but I digress and ramble.
It makes you think outside your own societal rules, and thus, see things through others' eyes, and maybe, somewhat understand them. I know I'm a rational, scientific type too (which is why I have such issues with hermes talking) but I *LOVE* looking at the sociological points of Kino. People are interesting to dissect (which I know you know all about, mandy ;) and how they work in a mass group and are effected by the others in masse is fascinating. It's hard to understand, but fun to try to think of WHY someone would do that or be that way.
But to overanalyze a book like some do really annoys me. Like the book "Catcher in the Rye" it was awesome at face value. Sometimes "Fuck You" on the wall just means "fuck you" ;) But Kino opens itself up to social commentary and discussion. That's why I like it and I think that's why others like it too.
However, I have been mulling over the whole line "The World is not Beautiful, and Therefore, it is" line... and you're right, it doesn't make a lot of sense... I can see how imperfections can lead to beauty (like how light coming thru a piece of cracked glass is cooler looking and more beautiful than light just coming thru plain glass) but how does this apply to real life? hmmm... gah, opens up a whole new can of worms, don't it? Maybe I'll mull over it more and if I figure it out, or am still baffled after a week or so of mulling, I'll post here or in the kino group and someone can try to explain it. Gawd, I hope it's not just a stupid "not understood, so must be cool" things like phish's fics (no offense to phishtarr, if she ever accidentally reads this)
hmmmm
~"Mica Thinks too Much" is my new indian name ;)
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Date: 2006-12-25 04:04 pm (UTC)Well I guess the episode about keeping count doesn't make me think because I already thought about it. In our own history we have discounted people as human beings. In the constitution we considered slaves as 1/4 a person just to settle an arguement about whether or not one place can get more votes than another *shakes her head* or how everything was segregated. All of this seems silly to me now. Society pretty much makes it hard for somebody be to be different and sets the rules for how we're supposed to think. Of course I'm not a sociologist and never took sociology. I've always looked at the perspective from self rather than society (psychological point of view).
but what I don't understand is "Why does kino travel?" and "is there a point to the story?" and "where does she get her money?" She never works so how can she do repairs on hermes, eat, sleep somewhere? I mean is she trying to learn about the world, hope to find a place in this world where she belongs? She's not trying to change the world because she tries to be uninvolved with people's affairs and yet the original kino interfered to save her life.
And the last episode, I just think it's stupid to die for your land. I mean, I understand it's where you grew up but at the same time these people don't have the will to live. They knew it was coming, so they could have evacuated and with supplies so it's not like they would have to worry about hunger. Eventually the lava will settle (maybe) and they could have rebuilt.
A lot of these places seemed so isolated like one aspect of humanity developed in each place and as a whole you get humanity. They seemed to have an ugly side of humanity though. I noticed that they were ignorant in some respect in each town.
but you have to have ugliness to have beauty. If there is nothing to compare beauty to then it can't exist. there are so many things ugly about the world (like us stupid humans) and at the same time the world is beautiful because perhaps even though we're stupid there are also good things about people too.
but anyways, I'm sick of kino because i thought about it too many times (thanks to mica). I'm the type of person that will get obsessed with something for a few months then get bored with it and obsess over something else. Mica on the other hand will obsess over something and babble to me about it constantly. I will babble about them for a few days and then mostly keep my obsessions to myself afterwards because i figure nobody else cares about them.
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Date: 2006-12-25 04:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-12-26 10:31 pm (UTC)Also about overanalyzing I say that I do agree with you. Even on the most philosophical book it can be done. However, it would take quite awhile to do that with Kino considering how many insights it has.
And about Sakura... You're right. You could say it was stupid that she didn't leave. But I don't think so. You saw the episode, how proud she was of her ancestors who settled the land and how much she loved it. I think if she had left it she would always be filled with regret. She would always go back and think, "Sure... It's great to be a tour guide here... But it could never be as beautiful as my home." Not to mention that her parents weren't leaving. She would live everyday wondering if she could have saved them. Instead she lived a short but meaningful life with no regrets. After all Kino helped grant her one last wish. She got to be the tour guide she wanted to, she helped someone have a great time in the town. Even if it was just one person.
As for "Why Kino travels?" I think that's a question we all are asking. It's kind of like the question "Why are we here?" For her, traveling is almost the same as living. It's like me asking why I write. I write for so many reasons. But mainly, it's a way to discover myself. By writing I can find out a little bit of who I am and discover what is important to me. In essance, I write because I love it and I write to find myself.
Now your question about there being a point to the story. What is the point to any story? I think, at least in some way it's to analyze human nature. Characterization is all about puttin different human traits into one body. It's why we have the protagonist and the antagonist. I'm not sure if that makes any sense at all.
Your final question about how Kino gets money was something that took me a long time to figure out as well. XD When I read the novels I discovered the answer. She gathers herbs, sells animal skins, ect and sells them. I know this wouldn't bring in much money but Kino is a bit of a cheapskape. She always asks for a cheap hotel. And her reaction to getting free stuff in one of the episodes in the anime is to ask for more. Plus she can't have more than a couple of outfits. All of her guns were gifts. She didn't have to pay anything for Hermes. She didn't even have to buy that outfit she always wears. I think you see what I'm getting out. The way Kino lives isn't very expensive. Pretty much the only things she needs to buy are food (and she eats a lot of ration bars which aren't very expensive or she hunts when she is on the road), a room in a hotel for three days, gas (which I'm sure is cheaper in her world than it is in ours), and ammunition. The only other thing she might need is hygene products but I'm not so sure about that since she seems like the type of person who might take those little bars of soap from hotels. :P Either way, she would make enough money.
Though, I may not be the best person to ask on any of these questions. After all, one of my favorite subjects is English (I was in Honors last year and got an A- which is pretty good), I love poetry and analyzing, and I've been a HUGE Kino obsesser for at least two years.
Gah... Look at this thing. A whole page of philosophical ramblings. I feel so old. I bet you can't believe I'm only 16, ne? ^-^;;
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Date: 2006-12-27 06:51 am (UTC)The world being ugly but pretty does make sense. I think that's kind of what I was getting at before, you can't have beauty without ugly and humanity isn't pretty..heh. Perfection would be scary...*shudders*. But one thing I don't understand is why would people want to go to heaven? To me it just sounds really boring. Having happiness for eternity just doesn't sound good to me. In order to have happiness, you have to struggle through life and work at things to be able to fully enjoy the good times in life.
I see your point about Sakura and it seems like such a poetic ending but like I said before, it seemed like every town was stupid in some way and I still thought it was stupid to stay. People go through many hardships in life and sometimes have to start over but it's not the end of the world. Immigrants for example will move from the land they have known their whole lives and try to start a new life elsewhere. At the same time, I felt like these people did not want to grow, adapt, or develop. They just wanted to stay the same and die living the same their whole lives. How can you grow as a person if you don't go through hardships? There are people out there that can't even make the choice to live or die such, people who desperately struggle to live such as people with cancer. Sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to and you lose everything but that doesn't mean that there isn't hope or that you can't move foward. It'd be like me saying: "Okay, well I've lived a good, meaningful life so far, so tomorrow, I think I'll die because something bad may happen to change that". Also I thought there was a relunctance for Sakura to want to grow up and leave her parents. Yeah, she might have regretted leaving them there but she didn't want to make the choice of leaving the comforts of home and exploring the world out there.
Thanks for answering the question about money, that was really bothering me :) hee hee, I can just imagine Kino with a whole hoard of hotel stuff.
Somehow, I ended up taking advanced English classes in high school and survived with A's. *shrugs* I dunno how I did it though.
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Date: 2007-02-04 05:46 pm (UTC)Does anime need to have a point? I *STILL* don't get the point of most gundam shows (with the exception of MAYBE Eureka 7) But I think the point of the Kino Anime is to kinda disprove the whole concepts of right and wrong the society tries to impose on us by trying to show us differnt ways of thinking. (you tell me what the point of Full Metal Panic, and I'll tell you Kino's point... and don't say it's protecting kaname, because other than the fact that's she's a crazy freak who has an alternate personality that knows WAY too much about the lamda driver and the My little pony gundam, she really doesn't have a real enemy after the first season)
MandY_nyar said:
"I've always looked at the perspective from self rather than society (psychological point of view)."
Maybe that's why you dont like Kino too much. I enjoy looking at how people interact with each other and effect each other (which is basically sociology w/out having to learn all the fancy terms) and it doesn't really sound like you do.
Mandy_nyar said:
but what I don't understand is "Why does kino travel?" and "is there a point to the story?" and "where does she get her money?" She never works so how can she do repairs on hermes, eat, sleep somewhere?
For the question, where does she get her money, I told you, she's a hooker! *EG* Nah, I like Mori's answer better about Kino being a cheapskate. I told you, like mori did, that the original Kino says that he sells herbs and various rare items he finds along the way, and I assume girl Kino does the same. There *ARE* several people who are like Kino, and only travel, and somehow find a way to make do. The only reason, we, as americans, feel that it would be impossible, or at least improbable, is that we are a VERY stuff-oriented society.
As for "why does kino travel?" I have my own theories on that. First, everything in her life gets turned upside down (by her dad trying to kill her and losing everything that's familiar in her life) Then, she ends up with a "master" that she isn't even sure she can trust. I am not sure what happens to make her start on her journey (not sure if it says in the books ever either) but we know she enjoys stories on traveling, and she feels she really has no home to return to. Maybe if someday she finds a place where she feels like she can be at ease and be more than an observer, she will stop traveling. Maybe she hasn't stopped because she hasn't found a place where people aren't "stupid" as you put it :p
okay, so I meant native american and not indian. Bite my shiny hiney.
~Mica
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Date: 2007-02-07 01:40 am (UTC)And Kino... as a hooker? XD Now that's something I can't imagine. Hermes maybe... :P
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Date: 2007-02-07 02:21 pm (UTC)Hermes as a hooker? Gah... now I've got bad mental images! NOOOOO! ;]
~Mica
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Date: 2007-02-07 08:47 pm (UTC)And the Hermes as a hooker thing comes from the fact that some people acctually ship "Kino x Hermes." (I couldn't believe it at first either!) Now I don't actually ship it but my friend and I found it so funny that we made a joke out of it by "shipping" it. Which led to "Kino loves to ride Hermes all night long..." and other things. Though personally... I'm not sure if Kino x Hermes is more wrong or Hermes x Riku is. (I don't know anyone who ships the latter but I came up with it. Not actually supporting it but seeing how it could work. XD) In the end I'm a huge Kino x Shizu shipper. <33333333333 Though there is nothing wrong with making jokes out of Kino x Hermes and Hermes x Riku or even Kino x Riku (as in Rikutarou from Gakuen Kino) every once in awhile. The only pairing that's really wrong is Shizu x Tea! XD *hates that pairing with a passion*
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Date: 2007-02-07 08:54 pm (UTC)Alohaaaaa
Date: 2007-03-23 01:27 pm (UTC)thanks for adding me to your f-list :3
big hooray for ninja turtle!
i used to watch it madly when i was a kid ..*somemillioncenturiesago*
too bad they dont re-air it..
kino is wonderful too ^w^,both manga n anime..
and we have a twisted sense of humor..oh kino needs a dose of that ..
and your kino cosplay was kyoot!!
oh welps!!Thanks again darlinggggggg!:D
cya <3